Superseded, 27 September 2026. This page is the record of Call #8 (10 Sep, paper v5.0) as presented, and keeps the figures and vocabulary of that date. In paper v5.2 (27 September 2026): the ten-year renewer is $1,093.62, breaking even in year 2 (was $782.14, year 4); the fully-allocated ten-year renewer is $590.36 (was $278.88). The current state is on the project hub.
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Two documents, two readers. Ron's 93 comments answered. Three decisions for the room

CAS Ratemaking Working Group  ·  Bi-Weekly Call #8  ·  Phase 6 — paper v5.0 (59 pp) + technical supplement v5.0 (51 pp), toolkit cas_clv v1.1, executive summary v5.0
Thu Sep 10, 2026 · 4:30 PM ET
30 min · hard stop 5:00 PM
Researcher: Pramod Misra
POG: Mondello · Robinson · Paik · Werner · Kozlowski
First, the date. The second draft was promised for 1–2 September and went out on 9 September, because Ron Kozlowski's marked-up review was due the same weekend and arrived on the 7th; one version with his 93 comments in it seemed better than two drafts a week apart. What v5.0 is: the same toolkit and the same numbers — not one changed — in two documents for two readers. The paper (59 pages) is for the decision-maker who hands it to a team: plain language, no formulas or software vocabulary in the body, 17 figures. The technical supplement (51 pages) is for the implementer who reproduces it: the formulas, full tables and every provenance line, under the paper's own section numbers. The paper opens with the one-page case Geoff and AJ asked for — two customers with current-term margins of $979.28 and $988.56 whose five-year values are $3,701.20 and $3,196.62, a gap of $504.58 opened entirely by retention — says what the paper is and is not, and carries its own 29-term glossary; the supplement carries all 78. Q1–Q3 are the decisions this call needs; each is a place where two of you, or the RFP and the room, pointed in different directions. Q4 is a ratification carried from 27 August; Q5 is a reserve question on the two-document split. If time runs out, answer Q1–Q3 here and Q4–Q5 by email. ★ = researcher's recommendation.
Q1 What do we call the two variants — and is single-line / multi-line right?

Now pick the pair the published paper and toolkit carry.

Why single-line is the wrong word for the base variant. The base value is the customer as they stand — every product they already hold, renewed. On the reference book 250 households hold three or more products and 1,545 hold two; each of them has a base value that is already multi-line. Calling it single-line would tell a reader that a three-product household's base CLV counts one policy. What the with-growth variant adds is not more lines but future lines: the products the customer does not hold yet.
A
Keep clv_base / clv_with_growth, with the gloss — the customer as they are today versus plus expected future purchases, stated at first use and in the glossary. Ratified verbally on 21 August; this adds the words a first reader needs.recommended
B
Rename to single-line / multi-line — the Call #7 suggestion. Short and familiar, but wrong for the 250 three-plus-product and 1,545 two-product households whose base value already spans several lines.
C
current-holdings / with-growth — says exactly what the base variant contains, at the cost of a longer column name and a third rename in one summer.
Q2 Fixed expense: Kozlowski #112 versus Robinson #111

Now pick the default view, and whether the second one is reported.

What the two views do. The §3.4 ten-year renewer is worth $782.14 net of acquisition on the marginal view and $278.88 fully allocated at an illustrative $75.00 per term — a difference of $503.26, which is $75.00 × the ten-year annuity factor 6.7101. On the in-force book (3,458 customers) the totals are $13,842,714.22 against $12,973,898.83, a gap of $868,815.39; 93.72% of the marginal value is retained. The charge is a constant per expected renewal, so it moves levels, not the loss-ratio relativities.
A
Marginal default, fully-allocated view beside it — marginal for rating decisions (fixed cost cancels out of every relativity), fully-allocated for valuing a book (a buyer inherits the overhead). Both reported, each exhibit labelled with its view.recommended
B
Fully-allocated default — Kozlowski's position taken whole. Every customer-level figure in the paper moves down by a constant per expected renewal, and the 16 August decision is reversed.
C
Marginal only — Robinson's position taken whole; the fully-allocated view stays in the framework doc and the planner but leaves the paper.
Q3 Which use case leads: rating decisions or valuing a book?

Now pick how the paper frames its primary use.

A
Rating decisions primary, book valuation named as the second use with its own §9.6 — the RFP asked for a ratemaking method, and the filing-side exhibits serve it; the valuation reading uses the same number summed rather than compared.recommended
B
Equal billing — two use cases of one method, presented in parallel from the abstract onward. Truer to how the group talked on the 27th; further from the RFP's wording.
C
Rating only — keep §9.6 as an aside and the abstract on ratemaking alone. Cleanest scope; loses the reader Kozlowski described.
Q4 Basis names: ratify revenue-neutral / level-effect

For the minutes.

At v3.3 the two bases read: revenue-neutral, 1-yr cohort +2.85% and 10+ yrs −7.43%, book total unchanged; level-effect, +17.28% and +4.84%, book +$2,615,287. Parameter and values unchanged — naming only. Four passages still read “provisional” until this is minuted.
A
Ratify revenue-neutral / level-effect and lift the provisional flags.recommended
B
Other names — write in the pair you would use; the rename is one sweep and the parameter does not change.
Q5 Reserve — does a 59-page paper plus a 51-page technical supplement serve you better than one 87-page document?

Now pick — reserve; answer here if time allows, otherwise by email.

A
Yes, keep two documents — the paper is the one Geoff hands to a team; the supplement is the one the team opens. Same numbers, same section numbers, so nothing is lost between them.recommended
B
No, one document — return to a single binding at v4.0's length, with the reader's guide marking the two paths.
C
Two documents, but move X back into the paper — write in X (a formula, a table, a model-family subsection, a hand-worked exhibit); the section numbers match, so any piece moves in one step.
Reserve — for the 24 September call. Where this is presented. On 27 August Geoff Werner offered to moderate or co-present at the CAS RPM Seminar in Indianapolis if travel aligns; the submission package is drafted and validated against the webform limits (docs/publish/rpm_2027/: title, 225-word description, three learning objectives, 24-slide deck). Session format is the open question — pick one to carry into the 24th: A researcher presents, Werner moderates (★ — the offer as made); B co-presented, researcher plus one POG reviewer as discussant; C panel — researcher and two reviewers, one on the ratemaking use and one on book valuation; D submitted as a project deliverable under the research agreement, format decided by CAS. Two facts still needed from CAS: the RPM 2027 deadline and the submission route — open since roughly 30 June.
This research project has been funded by the Casualty Actuarial Society.